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Why We Might Be Wrong About Hdl Cholesterol

Discussion in 'Diabetes Research & News' started by arun kumar, Jul 13, 2017.

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  1. Vinay Raj

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    If I were them, I would certainly somehow get the particle size test (NMR spectroscopy done) and certainly bump by the dietary constitution as @Anup Singh has said. I have not seen CHOL levels >350-400 even in hyper responders in public n=1 experiments so far and that can be brought down typically to 200-250 in about 3.5 days using the "Feldman Protocol".
     
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    No need i believe as per Dave Feldman
    Just ensure that inflammatory markers are done
    HsCRP & Homocysteine
     
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    @Pdiabet is one hyper-responder among us. He suggests not to go into keto range as that rams the thyroid very hard. He has practical results to prove n=1 finding.
     
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    Hariharan It's the carbs, stupid!

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    Yeah. Dave Feldman talks about such people here - Are you a Lean Mass Hyper-responder? » Cholesterol Code
     
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    TC over 300 is matter of concern, and 50% of saturated fat should be replaced with MUFA.
     
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    Dr. B. M. Hegde, on a TV interview in Kannada says, "in an old age home survey in Parish" women aged 90 years who had cholesterol levels from 600 to 900 mg/dl were very healthy. He attributes their long and healthy life to their high cholesterol levels. @shashikantiyengar @Anup Singh @arun kumar @Vinay Raj @Hariharan
    To view the vedeo I shared in face book, please clik the link below.
    Zuze Pernal
     
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    Is it in Kannada ..?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    I think Dr Hegde mentions that in another talk as well - which was in English .
     
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    Hariharan It's the carbs, stupid!

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    Thank You! @Zuze Pernal
     
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    Hariharan It's the carbs, stupid!

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    @Zuze Pernal
    Thank you. Hadn't heard of this Hegde. So looked him up.
    Found this - Counter Thinking The Medical Industry By Prof. BM Hegde where he writes: "French nursing home studies have now shown that to be alive at 90 plus one need to have cholesterols in the range of 800 mg plus!"
    That article is worth reading.
     
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    Thanks @Zuze Pernal
    Will you please give excerpt of the talk here?
     
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    In the beginning of the video Dr Hegde says there is no connection between cholesterol and diet, could this be true?
     
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    Probably what he meant was that dietary cholesterol has no significant impact on serum cholesterol

    However we know that taking sugar and refined carbs and seed oils raise the small dense LDL
     
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    He means dietary cholesterol.
     
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    Canada, I think, doesn't have any dietary cholesterol limitation.
    Cholesterol & Statins are medical industry's best organized SCAM.
     
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    Reading some basic stuff still, but one needs to watch out for the PCSK9 "miracle" next gen satin's that will hit the market sometime next year I guess. It messes around with the LDL Receptors. Could be the next Lipitor ($80bn and counting..).. Godspeed !
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    Again perhaps be meant dietary cholesterol in which case its true, but also in certain conditions with radical diet alterations its not true, as shown by Feldman et. al in numerous protocols. But over a broad time frame that would hold. It fascinated me to learn that serum,liver,cellular cholesterol levels are all different and variable and important and interrelated. This is what makes this subject so interesting.

    Having said that, the older one gets, more natural the numbers are higher and thats ok. It would not hurt to check apo-B numbers as that gives the clearance and recycle rates of LDL in case its elevated and also a particle density test to confirm things.

    I have been amazed at just reading some very basic papers of how satins lower the serum CHOL by messing around and moving and holding the LDL in the liver and cells and it seems yet again from a layman's perspective of mine, that one is messing around with natural body processes by trying to control a symptom and play around with it, without understanding its entire biochemical implications.
     
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    It started miracle stuff for statin resistant LIPID profile and has failed already :D :D :D
    Company is now into a marketing gimmick of offering a big sum ($$$) to patient (as i remember reading some posts on twitter) if the drug doesn't work. So the euphoria is fast on decline :D :D :D

    In India, no one can afford the same drug :)

    As a layman -- High Cholesterol indicates inflammation.
    Target drug -- Diet to control/minimize inflammation.
    Yes, exceptions (genetics) will always be there.
     
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    For PCSK9 there is already a miracle drug on which this is based. That free miracle drug is called "fasting" :D
     
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