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India - Defense Updates

Discussion in 'GeoPolitics' started by S_antosh, May 12, 2017.

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    I'm loving the names - Pinaka, Nag, Pralay!
    Names which go way way back. :namaste:
     
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    Yeah always better that 'babar' and Gazani...
    Those were they ppl responsible for mass conversion of present day Pakistanis by rape and plunder.
    Its is really pity that they pride for those names...
     
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    A prayer for Pinaka,Nag,And Pralay from Atharva veda.

    Whetting thy voice and vanquishing opponents, roar at them
    like a lion fain to conquer!
    The fastened frame hath roared as 'twere a lion, like a bull bel-
    lowing to meet the heifer.
    Thou art a bull, thine enemies are weaklings: thine is the foe-
    subduing strength of Indra.
    Like a bull marked by strength among the cattle, roar seeking
    kine and gathering up the booty.
    Pierce through our adversaries' heart with sorrow, and let our
    routed foes desert their hamlets.
    Victorious in the battle, loudly roaring, seizing what may be
    seized, look all around thee.
    Guarded by Indra, watching our assemblies, go quickly, breaker
    of their hearts who hate us.
    Original prayer is for war drums... here is the link..
    Atharva Veda: Book 5: Hymn 20: A hymn to the War-drum to secure victory
     
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    few more here...
    Hindu Reflections: SOME VEDIC MANTRAS USED IN HINDU RITUALS AND WORSHIPS
    Udagne tishtha pratyaa-tanushva nya-mitraa(ga)m oshataat-ttigma-hete |
    Yo no araati(ga)m samidhaana chakre neechaa-tam dhakshya-tasam na sushkam ||

    Oh Lord Agni! Rise up with your blazing flames. Spread out before us. Burn down our enemies as you have sharpened arrows. Consume the enemy like a heap of dried wood, who has played mischief on us.

    Oordhvo bhava prati-vidhyaa-dhyasmada-avish-krinushva daivyaany-agne |
    Avasthiraa tanu-hi yaatu joonaam jaam-imam-ajaamim pra-mrineehi satroon ||

    May Agni be our overall Lord! Please arise and drive away those who fight us. Manifest your celestial divine powers. Slacken the bow-strings of the demon who are running away. Destroy our enemies, no matter whether they are our kith and kin or strangers.

    Tava brhamaasa aasuyaa patanty-anu sprisa dhrishataa sosuchaanah |
    Tapoo(goo)mshy-agne juhvaa patangaana-sandito visrija vishwa-gulkaah ||


    Go forward in rapid flight whirling fiery torches. Burning with fury, follow them closely. Spread
    The flying flames with your tongue. Cast around them your fireballs.
     
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    http://www.expressnewsindia.com/mkdave/53.pdf
    “Hey Manyu- the killer of the enemies! You are by nature the killer of the enemies (opposing forces of Nature). You are endowed with most powerful Tej/radiant energy. Become stronger by participating in this battle. There are many who invite you.
     
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    Very good news
     
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    May not be IMO.

    US F-16's are 3rd Gen fighters, although LM has upgrades for F-16's, it would be like Old Wine in a new Bottle for us. If F-16 prod line starts at India, we will have no option but to go for F-16's for Indian AirForce's fighter acquisition needs.

    There are better alternatives for us than F-16's such as Swedish Gripen's, Russian Su-35's and our own homegrown fighter LCA Tejas...

    @Anup Singh , @Asp, @Hariharan

    What are your views on F-16's?
     
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    May we can think of exporting them??
     
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    @Anup Singh and @Hariharan would be the experts in this domain :)

    Just posting a well-written post by an informed commentator from the other forum:

    Over the years, we have had discussions on F-16s a number of times. Before we start another discussion on this topic, let me try to summarise what we have already discussed a number of times in the last few years.

    1. The USA needed to dump the phased out manufacturing plant on some developing country (and even make money in the bargain)....

    2. Block 60 or 70 notwithstanding (technology upgradation), F-16 is primarily a 3rd generation plane first introduced in the 1970s.

    3. A few decades back, France had offered entire manufacturing plant of Mirage to Bharat. UPA went for MMRCA competition instead.... Now in 2017, after going through the entire MMRCA drama, we are seriously again considering shifting the F-16s manufacturing plant to Bharat (that also, when the world may be slowly moving towards the 6th generation aircrafts).

    4. What about the issue of USA parting with the necessary codes?

    5. No country parts with its crown jewels i.e. Swedes, French, Russians or Americans will never part with their engine technology.

    6. We already have Su-31, Mig series, Mirage, LCA Tejas, Rafale and are thinking of adding one more different make of combat aircraft to this already long list.

    7. Instead of spending money to accelerate the Tejas development programme as well as spend money on producing Tejas in greater quantity, we are again contemplating buying even more foreign maal.
     
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    Exporting LCA Tejas? Yes, we should however, we need to perfect them in the first place. We are still relying on phoren engines for our Tejas, we should think of selling them when we have 100 % parts in Tejas which are made in India.
     
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    Apt analysis (y)
     
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    Maybe some ancillary/avionics. Reduce Russian dependence.
     
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    We need parallel manufacturing facilities to quickly ramp up the squadron strength to 42+ and current requirement is for single engine.
    Options:
    • Gripen - US engine dependent. So also for other systems. Why spend on this and not focus on Tejas as they are almost in the same category.
    • F -16 - Capable and proven with 3K+ air crafts in service all over the world. Newer avionics etc can bump up the "Generation" of the aircraft.
    • Tejas - The PSU culture is still dominating. So needs a competitor to wake up the PSU's. So, one of the two above will have to make way to India.
    Sweden has little to offer on "international clout" help compared to the US. So, IMHO, I think F 16's would be preferred. But, if Trump plays spoil sport, then Gripen would come in. Talks of 4.5 generation, 3rd generation makes no sense. To me it's just a Marketing HYPE.

    Air frame, Engine are two time tested components. Avionics, Electronics, software, integration side improvements can always bump up the "generation" of aircraft. Obviously we will have to reduce dependence on US missiles bombs so this deal should come with that freedom (and modifications if needed). Having mastered with Composites for air frame on Tejas, not sure if that can be extrapolated to F 16 to reduce the RCS. We are looking at countering Pakis and Chinese. So F 16's would fit the bill.

    India should spend quickly on AMCA as that would setup the template for Twin Engine fighters also. Not sure what's the latest on K9/K10 engines where Snecma is supposed to be working with DRDO. If that happens and possibility of integrating that to F 16 would mean we are less dependent on US.

    ISRO should also be assigned with the responsibility of developing engines for air crafts and helicopters. Maybe give them the project to do a 120kN thrust engine for aircraft. They can come up with a product faster than DRDO as they are free from QUOTA engineers and scientists.

    Also, in real time war, first attack would be from missiles. Air crafts move in much later. So, we should spend heavily on missiles and fence our borders with them :)

    And, here's the good news:
    Russia denies demanding an additional $7-bn from India for FGFA

    Effect of tata- F-16 make in India program MOU?
     
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    By involving Italy aren't they compromising on their IP + Indian IP? MKI was built as per Indian specs, has Israeli tech and Indian software..
     
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    Not sure if it is related to some missiles.
     
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